Fritt ord (allt annat info och historier) angående Kina Pandor mynt

[Fantom]

En välkänd Panda mynt säljare fick ms70 på en sällsynt variant 1 oz silver Panda mynt, vid hans senaste gradering hos NGC, (1 oz silver Panda mynt 2000 "mirrored ring") häromdagen!
Population ms70 på ett sånt mynt är endast 1 styck! och 0 hos PCGS, så myntet är "unik" då det fanns inga fler ms70, och jag är tveksam att det kommer fler i framtiden.
Om jag skulle ha ett sånt mynt då hamnar myntet i min privata samling, men "ägaren" är en spekulant (säljare) så han annonserade myntet direkt, på Ebay. Han är inte "blygsam" med sina priser, så den ligger ute på Ebay för endast 16999$ (ca. 115.000 kr), vi får se hur länge annonsen blir kvar.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-MIRRORED-1oz-Silver-China-S10Y-Panda-NGC-MS70-2000-Mirrored-Ring-ms-70-/231279622344

[mowi_af]

George!   
Vilka vansinniga priser han har.. som sagt inte ett blygt pris.. men en key-date med pop 1!!!!!

[Fantom]

George!   
Vilka vansinniga priser han har..

Ja, liknade mynt dock ms69 kostar ca. 1100$ nu för tiden, söker man bättre då går att hitta för ca. 900$
Jag observerar : det går inte att se någon som helst skillnaden mellan ms69 och ms70 mynt med blotta ögat, så prisskillnaden på (17000-1100) = 15900$ = ca. 108.000 kr "betalar" man för en etikett faktiskt (en liten pappers bit inne i NGCs slabb) där skrevs ms70 och inte ms69   och inte för själva myntet, då som jag skrev redan det är omöjligt att se skillnaden på ms69 och ms70 mynt!
Det blir intressant att kolla om myntet blir såld eller inte för detta priset! 

edit/ Ja, dock även jag vill ha ms70 i min privata samling, men måste nöja mig med ms69 på dom flesta panda mynt än så länge...

[Fantom]

Nää...upfff...väntade tills kl. 23:44 och lagt bud senaste 5 sekunder innan auktionen avslutades, men vann inte ändå!
http://www.tradera.com/item/220205/210796079/silvermynt-1988-5-oz

Grattis 9darter!

[9darter]

Sorry Fantom   
Återstår bara att se om Pandan är äkta... Jag lovar att posta bättre bilder än de små som fanns i annonsen.

[9darter]

Sorry Fantom   
Återstår bara att se om Pandan är äkta... Jag lovar att posta bättre bilder än de små som fanns i annonsen.

Jag kan då inte se något misstänkt med den. Lite anlupen i kanterna men inget märkvärdigt för ett 26 år gammalt silvermynt.
Några synpunkter från Panda-experterna? Jag kan ta detaljfoton om så önskas.

[Fantom]

Ditt Panda mynt ser riktigt fint ut!

[HF]

Vet inte om det här är rätt tråd att lägge dette, men jag tänkte tipsa er som tyckr om pandor om en auktion på 25 stk. 1/4-oz pandor i äska http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/kina-moentskrin-komplet-saet-soelvmoenter-25/i3525010/

Jag är inte säljar och har inga interessen i auktions-stället, bara tänkte på er när jag så auktionen 

[Fantom]

Intressanta inlägg av Peter Anthony (august 2014)

CHINESE COINS: 5-STAR PANDAS

Posted by Peter Anthony on 8/21/2014

A group of Panda coins display the five-star symbol of the People’s Republic of China on the obverse.

Supply and demand makes the world of coins go ’round. “What is a coin’s mintage?” “How many survive?” “Are there hoards?” Numismatists spend endless hours trying to determine supply. For some rare coins, experts know the location and history of every example. Where does that leave the rest of us?

Not long ago I sat down with Kent and Kyle Ponterio of Stack’s Bowers Galleries. We soon got to chatting about coin books and guides. Kent pointed out that every active market is built on a foundation of information. He used medals to make his point. In markets where good references exist for medals there are many collectors and strong demand. In areas that don’t have a reference, collectors generally stick to coins and ignore medals.

For instance, consider the aluminum Fen coins of China. These date from the mid-1950s to the present. Mintages were limited and most coins were put into circulation so everyone in China is familiar with them. One Chinese numismatist describes them as China’s answer to the Lincoln penny. Though they have almost no melt value, some trade hands for hundreds of dollars. It’s all about supply and demand – and demand for Fens is stoked by a fine reference book (in Chinese) by Mr. Sun Keqin.

The same holds true for Panda coins. A book like the Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer’s Guide opens up the field to new collectors and helps grow the market. Back when the first edition was published many collectors told me that they had no idea that there are so many different Panda coins.

One surprise for many people in the Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer’s Guide is a group of Pandas that aren’t part of the Panda series. I call them Panda cousins. These coins lack the series’ trademark Temple of Heaven on the obverse. In its place they display the 5-star symbol of the People’s Republic of China (PRC).



The earliest and perhaps best known are the 1 Yuan brass Pandas that were minted from 1983-1985. Most of these were distributed as gifts or premiums by Panda coin distributors and dealers. Because brass readily reacts with air many surviving coins have black spots or other impairments. They are now highly collectible. MS 69 examples of 1983 and 1984 1 Yuan Pandas can sell for hundreds of dollars. The 1985 is considered a great rarity; auction prices for it have topped $50,000.

The next 5-star Panda is a 1986 5 Yuan coin that was minted for the World Wildlife Fund. It was struck in both Mint State and Proof versions. It weighs 22 grams and is composed of .900 fine silver. The authorized mintage is 30,000 total.

Another 5 Yuan silver coin with a Panda in its design was released in 1989 for the 70th Anniversary of the Saving the Children’s Fund. It weighs 22 grams of .999 silver and has an authorized mintage of 75,000.

In 1993 the only copper Panda coin was released as part of the Rare Chinese Animal Series. This is a very affordable and pretty coin that makes a great gift for young numismatists. The vast majority of coins are Mint State, but Proofs do exist.

The Rare Chinese Animal series added another coin in 1994, this time in gold. It weighs 8 grams of .916 fine gold and has a mintage of just 5,000.

The last coin (so far) in this five-star Panda group is a little 3 Yuan silver coin issued in 1997 for the World Wildlife Fund. It is made of 15 grams of .900 fine silver and is really quite a handsome coin.

All in all this group of Pandas makes a fascinating set. The coins were created for a variety of reasons and they reflect the wide-ranging appeal that Pandas have for people everywhere.

/Peter Anthony is an expert on Chinese modern coins with a particular focus on Panda coins. He is an analyst for the NGC Chinese Modern Coin Price Guide as well as a consultant on Chinese modern coins.

[Fantom]

Intressanta inlägg av Peter Anthony (september 2014)

CHINESE COINS: SET PIECES

Posted by Peter Anthony on 9/16/2014

A set of low-mintage Panda medals offers both value and beauty to collectors.

When I was a kid I collected Lincoln cents. Every trip to the store meant a new chance to fill one of the blank spots in my blue folder. I didn’t think about it much at the time but those cents were my first set of coins. For collectors there is something fundamental about forming sets. In China that fascination merges with the belief that there is harmony and completion in sets.

But what group, or set of Panda coins, best embodies that ideal of harmony? There are so many possibilities. Most of the popular ones are listed in the NGC Registry. There you can find lists of sets like “Silver 10 Yuan Panda, 1983-Date, One-Per-Date” or “Gold 1 Ounce Panda, 1982-Date, Mint State.”

If you look down at the bottom of the page there is a category for “Panda Medals.” While medals often get less attention than coins, many times they have the best stories associated with them. That is because they are connected to a single coin show or event. During the 1980s as interest in Panda coins reached a fever pitch, so did demand for Panda medals. This led to some colorful incidents that are now part of their history.

As of today there are seven medal sets in the NGC Registry. The highest profile may be the “Gold 1 Ounce Panda Medals, 1987-1990, Proof.” By chance this set contains an even ten medals and several have very low mintages as few as 500. If those published mintages aren’t low enough, the actual mintages of some are even lower!

One very popular set is the “Silver Panda 1 Ounce Medals, 1984-Date, Mint State and Proof.” Among the 23 medals in this set is the very first Panda medal issued as well as a pair of medals struck in 2014. It’s not necessary to buy all 23 to form a cohesive set, though. The nine Munich Panda medals attract interest from collectors, particularly in Europe.

Between 1990 and 1997 the China Mint struck a silver medal each year for the Munich International Coin Show. The medals are quite beautiful and feature notable places and monuments in Munich on one side and a Panda on the other. Mintages are attractively small: 2,500 for most years and only 1,800 in 1997. The coins were sold by one of the largest distributors of Chinese coins during this period, M.D.M. Deutsche Münze of Germany.

Another interesting set of medals is the “Silver 5 Ounce Panda Medals, 1985-Date, Proof.” The first of these large Silver Pandas was released in Hong Kong in 1985. By 1987 when the Long Beach silver Panda medals were issued, new issues were blazing hot and immediately jumped in value. Competition for the medals was fierce and led to all sorts of schemes and frayed tempers.



It’s a long time since I tried to complete my Lincoln cent set. The magic and challenge of a complete set is still there, though, and a set of low-mintage Panda medals offers both value and beauty to collectors.

For those interested, current prices for Panda medals can be found in the NGC Chinese Modern Coin Price Guide. Further information is available online as well as in the Gold & Silver Panda Coin Buyer’s Guide book.

/Peter Anthony is an expert on Chinese modern coins with a particular focus on Panda coins. He is an analyst for the NGC Chinese Modern Coin Price Guide as well as a consultant on Chinese modern coins.

[Fantom]

Intressanta inlägg av Peter Anthony (oktober 2014)

CHINESE COINS: SILVER PANDA STARTER

Posted by Peter Anthony on 10/14/2014

Of the large variety of Panda coins available, the silver Panda is the most popular series among collectors.

A gem of a show takes place in Las Vegas twice a year (September and April). The Las Vegas Numismatic Society is the sponsor and CK Shows manages the events. I was lucky to be invited to the September show as a speaker.

Most of the audience was just getting started with Panda coins so it seemed worthwhile to go over some basics. Here is what we discussed. Pandas are among the most popular coins in the world today. In 1982 the China Mint sold around 140,000 Panda coins. In 2013 it sold 12 million. What is it that attracts so many people to these coins?

To begin with there is the Panda itself. It has been voted the world’s most popular animal. Some of the products that are named after Pandas are cars, banks, pots and pans, movies, software, restaurants, tea and toys. The tea is an interesting story in itself. Workers in black and white Panda costumes harvest the leaves by hand. If that seems funny, consider that the final product sells for around $350 per oz.; so I’m not sure whom the joke is on.

Anyway, besides Panda products there are a huge variety of Panda coins. There are silver, gold, platinum, palladium, brass, bronze and copper coins as well as bimetallic Pandas made of both silver and gold.

The most popular series is the silver Panda. In 1983 the first silver Panda was issued. It’s a proof coin that weighs in at less than an ounce: 27 grams to be exact. All 10,000 minted were distributed by one American company; Martin Weiss’ Panda America. It was at Mr. Weiss’ prompting that a silver version of the Panda was struck and he claimed the entire mintage. The 1983 silver Panda is really quite rare in Proof 69 condition.

In 1984 and 1985, 27 gram silver Proof Pandas were minted. These are not quite as hard to find in high grade as the 1983 coins.

No silver Panda coins were minted in 1986. In 1987 a one ounce Proof Panda was released. The mintage was 31,000 and it’s moderately scarce today. In 1988, no 1 oz. silver Panda coins were minted.



First of their kind: 1983 proof and 1989 BU silver Pandas

The start of the series for most collectors is 1989. Both Proof and BU silver Pandas were minted. Unlike the earlier years these Pandas shared the same design as the BU gold Pandas of the same year. The proof coin has a "P" in a circle to signify its proof quality. 25,000 proof coins were minted along with 255,000 BU coins. These are not particularly rare coins but they are no longer extremely common.

In 1990, the Panda coins can be split into Large and Small Date varieties. The China Mint used two mints to produce the year’s Pandas: Shanghai and Shenyang. For whatever reason, the dates from the two mints are different sizes and shapes. The Shanghai version is taller and narrower than the Shenyang coins. These have come to be known as Large and Small Dates and many collectors try to have both. There was also a Proof version.

All the years in the 1990s, except 1999, have Large and Small Date varieties. In 1999, there are three varieties because the China Mint used three Mints to strike the coins that year.

While varieties are an up and coming area, most collectors start by just collecting all the dates or designs. That means as few as 24 different Pandas are needed to complete a BU set. This is also a relatively affordable goal. The highest priced BU silver Panda is available for under $500. Many can be bought in the $50 range, so this is a hobby that people with a wide range of budgets can enjoy. All you have to do is be interested in Pandas, which puts you in a lot of good company.

/Peter Anthony is an expert on Chinese modern coins with a particular focus on Panda coins. He is an analyst for the NGC Chinese Modern Coin Price Guide as well as a consultant on Chinese modern coins.

[Fantom]

...
No silver Panda coins were minted in 1986....In 1988, no 1 oz. silver Panda coins were minted.

Stämmer dock inte helt korrekt, då både 1986 och 1988 silver pandor präglades, dock endast 5 och 12 oz varianter. /Edit. 1988 även 1 oz variant finns, fast alla kallas som medalj.

...
All the years in the 1990s, except 1999, have Large and Small Date varieties. In 1999, there are three varieties because the China Mint used three Mints to strike the coins that year...

Här glömde han om 1995 årets Panda, också 3 olika storlekar på datumet, dock inte nå många som bryr sig om det.

[Fantom]

Intressanta inlägg av Peter Anthony (november 2014)

CHINESE COINS: PLATINUM PANDA COINS

Posted by Peter Anthony on 11/11/2014

A handful of Chinese Panda coins, including the 1994 to 1997 Platinum coins, are struck by other mints.

The Giant Panda bear has become one of the most popular and respected symbols of the People’s Republic of China. The image of a Panda is used in countless ways around the world, but it always brings to mind its homeland. In like fashion Panda coins are now China’s best-known numismatic symbol. Worldwide they are the most popular and collected Chinese coin.

A couple of weeks ago I attended the unveiling of the 2015 Panda series in Beijing. In this presentation Panda coins were repeatedly called "national treasures." This phrase was also used in several new promotional short films from China Gold Coin Inc.

With this background it is safe to assume that all Chinese Panda coins are minted in China, right? Wrong! Official, legal tender Chinese Panda coins have been minted in other countries, too. Of course China is where most Pandas are struck, but a handful are products of the Perth Mint in Australia.

Between 1994 and 1997 there were eight platinum Pandas issued. All of them were minted in Australia. By all accounts the reason for this is that the China Mint was so busy striking other coins at this time that they maxed-out their capacity. In 1995 alone the China Mint issued more than 155 different coins.



China 1994 Platinum Panda

Martin Weiss, the founder and former owner of Panda America, has talked about the difficulty this caused his company. When coins were sold out it was impossible to get more deliveries.

So the China Mint subcontracted out the platinum Panda job to the Perth Mint. To me it’s not a surprise that it was platinum coins that were chosen for this. The platinum Pandas were the quintessential difficult, small job. The 1993 platinum Pandas were struck in Shanghai, so the Mint had recent experience with this kind of coin.

Platinum is a harder metal than silver or gold. This means it requires more pressure to strike a platinum coin and the dies often break. With the China Mint’s coin presses running flat out the last thing needed was a minor job that caused production delays. Mintage for 1994 was just 2,500 for the 1/10 oz. platinum pandas and 5,000 for the 1/20 oz. coins.

Because they were struck outside of China the 1994-1997 platinum Pandas were not shipped in the typical mint-sealed pouches. The coins are sometimes found packaged in pouches, but these were added later.

The little platinum Pandas found a market in jewelry, but collectors generally ignored them. Thousands were melted within a few years of their release. Coin and jewelry dealers turned them into bars and profited from the rise in platinum’s price. Today, all 1/10 or 1/20 oz. platinum Panda coins from the 1990s are either scarce or rare. The 1997s have very small actual mintages and are worth thousands of dollars in Mint State condition.

The 1993-1997 platinum Pandas are a perfect compact, interesting set to collect with an unusual history. They are covered by two NGC Registry sets: Platinum 1/20 Ounce Panda, 1993-1997, Mint State and Proof and Platinum 1/10 Ounce Panda, 1993-1997, Mint State and Proof.

Happy collecting.

/Peter Anthony is an expert on Chinese modern coins with a particular focus on Panda coins. He is an analyst for the NGC Chinese Modern Coin Price Guide as well as a consultant on Chinese modern coins.

[Fantom]

Intressanta inlägg av Peter Anthony (oktober 2015)

CHINESE PANDAS: A WEIGHTY DECISION

All 2016 brilliant uncirculated Chinese Panda coins will be issued in metric weights.

2016 begins a new era for Panda coins. The old weight system of troy ounces will be replaced by the metric system of grams, the standard system of weights used in the People’s Republic of China. For the first time the full range of Mint State gold and silver Panda coins will be issued in metric weights. This change may affect bullion buyers, who calculate their holdings in ounces, more than coin collectors who collect by denomination. For numismatists it should prove quite exciting as new types are added to the Panda coin world.

The metric system has long been part of the Panda story. The very first Panda silver coins, the 1983-1985 silver proofs, weighed in at 27 grams. This three-year set remains very popular today. It is one of the top Panda sets in the NGC Registry. The mintage for each year was 10,000 and the coins trade strictly as numismatic items and not for their intrinsic value.

A few years later, a 1991 1-gram gold commemorative arrived for the 10th anniversary of the Panda series. Panda America ran a successful publicity campaign in the US for these “Panda Grams.” A high percentage of the total mintage was sold to the jewelry industry. That is why most of the examples seen today are damaged and worn. True Mint State condition coins are quite scarce and valuable.

In 1998, the first silver Panda to weigh one kilogram was minted. It was followed by a gold kilogram in 1999. This changeover from the 12 oz. coins (12 troy oz. equals one pound) was made in the wake of the 1997 Asian Crisis. It was hoped that the larger kilo coins would sell better. This is exactly what happened over the following years.

In 2002, a 300 Yuan kilo silver commemorative coin with a pair of gold inlays was struck at the Shenyang Mint to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Panda series. Three types of kilo bronze medals were also produced by the Shanghai Mint for the same occasion and released by China Gold Coin. Once again, these coins and medals have become very scarce and now sell for multiples of their intrinsic values.

Through the years, however, the system of ounces kept its grip on Pandas as well as American Eagles, Canadian Maple Leafs and other bullion coins. Now it seems that Pandas are being transitioned from a role as a bullion bar substitute to a full-fledged coin. Like most traditional coins Pandas will only show a denomination. There will be no markings for weight and purity. Although not marked on the coins the purity will remain the same as previous years at .999 fine.

The 2016 10 Yuan silver Panda and 500 Yuan gold Panda will weigh 30 grams, the ½ oz. gold Panda will tip the scales at 15 grams, the ¼ oz. gold Panda will contain 8 grams, the 1/10 oz. will be 3 grams and the 1/20 oz. will shrink down to 1 gram. As the first year of a new Panda type, the 2016 coins will mark a new chapter in a coin program that has captured hearts everywhere.

/Peter Anthony is an expert on Chinese modern coins with a particular focus on Panda coins. He is an analyst for the NGC Chinese Modern Coin Price Guide as well as a consultant on Chinese modern coins.

[Silver]

Ojdå!

2015 väljer man att ta bort viktangivelse, material och finhet på mynten och nu på 2016 sänker man vikten. Det kommer inte heller att framgå någon viktangivelse på mynten 2016?

Jag är långt i från lika insatt som du Fantom i pandamynt, vad tycker du och ni andra som är kunniga på pandamynt om det?